is it possible to eat meat and care about the environment?

(of course, especially if you are starving and have no choices, for instance in guantanamo, or a place of no agriculture, or a prison, or an un-eco hospital, where else?  what else could excuse the carbon footprint . . . .? not that i care about guitig people.  i like people a lot, but i rather not hang out with primate torturers or meat eaters . . .  due to the spiritual auras of the dead and tortured which commingle in their presence)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_sociology

utilitarian functionalist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gifford_Pinchot

http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_(ethic)
dam to save water

what irrevocable effects occurr

transcendentalist

sawmill
yosemite park trees

john muir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Muir

hunting types and conservationists in the same group

New Deal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps

oregon mainly logging timber
haywire

dust bowl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

prior to FDR very utilitarian

taxpayers dams multiple areas
ranch and grow crops
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetch_Hetchy_Valley

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~cap/nps/nps4.html

anthropocentric





kinsey from my summer comparative economics course recommended this class---


i am so glad---

i have no way to find or thank her

dujon is indeed amazing.

http://www.sociology.pdx.edu/faculty/Dujon/dujon_vitae.php

http://ijs.cgpublisher.com/product/pub.41/prod.682

google books

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse:_How_Societies_Choose_to_Fail_or_Succeed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Diamond

the class is amazing

talking about hunting

meat eating and geographical areas with people with protein deficiency

sierra club hunter support 2006

"extractive social meme"

alaska's stance on environment

food that was previously a living thing

not a classroom of vegans!!!

i dont imagine meat eating's environmental toll in our world is justifiable except in food scarcity or total poverty
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/cutting-back-meat-eating-should-be-environmental-priority.php

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/meat-industry

monbiot from teh guardian retracts vegan idealizations
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/06/meat-production-veganism-deforestation

what a clown!

i love his nice writing style and his quest for sincerity.  i appreciate the praise he lavished on vegans as eco-heroes even when he couldn't control his taste for meat.

it was at east an intellectual appreciation!

i am 17 years off meat and still not dead!!!!!!
its important to me to note while the environmental advantages of vegan diet are great---my personal motive is very simply, that i am so totally seriously grossed out by eating corpses that there is no way i could without a lobotomy or soul extraction-----even if eating meat were good for the planet.

ideally eating local oregon farmed fresh picked produce would be my ideal.

and some oregon walnuts or rice.

but i really prefer juice which is more ecologically tolling---and i try to avoid the excessively processed plastic wrapped vegan fake cheese and such---but admit some of it is tasty.